japan's atrocity at WWII

[needed to be justify!]

I was sickening by not see any thread about japens war crime at WWII. I guess the forgotten holocaust of world war II is really is forgotten. Many people said that the Anti-japenese movement was stupid. I must disagree. From my point of view, China has the right to be angry at Japan, not the Japanese. Japan SLAUGHTER 300,000 Chinese civilians, Japanese troops raped over 20,000 womens, most of who were murdered thereafter. There were innumerable gruesome occurrences like these acts of cruelty seemingly beyond human capacity. After the slaughter, Japan never show any regret or shame toward the cruel act, not even a sign of pity. The Anti-Japanese movement wasn't looking for revenge, but seeking just and fair toward the incident. In WWII Japanese already declared that they were better than any race in Asia. They enforced the declaration by using LIVE Chinese and Korean civilian and POWs as experiment of biochemistry to improve on the biochemical warfare. While the experiment, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Overwhelmed by facts? Don't be, there is an old wise saying "those who doesn't learn from history, they are doomed to repeat it itself" it applies to thoes who can't learn from history. THEY ARE DOOMED!!

[Doug M]

I was sickening by not see any thread about japens war crime at WWII. I guess the forgotten holocaust of world war II is really is forgotten. There are now a total of only 6 threads in the history forum. Few topics are covered. The fact that there is no thread (until now) about Japan's war crimes here is not an indication of any political position. Look further and you will see that the article you have quoted in your message (http://www.japan-101.com/history/comfort_women.htm) is in fact published on Japan-101.

Look through JREF's popular forum (http://www.jref.com/forum/) (and others) and you will find this topic has been discussed in depth, from both sides.

Members are welcome to continue discussing this subject here although the personal attacks which often accompany heated subjects will not be allowed here.

[sarukun]

I was sickening by not see any thread about japens war crime at WWII. I guess the forgotten holocaust of world war II is really is forgotten. Many people said that the Anti-japenese movement was stupid. I must disagree. From my point of view, China has the right to be angry at Japan, not the Japanese. Japan SLAUGHTER 300,000 Chinese civilians, Japanese troops raped over 20,000 womens, most of who were murdered thereafter. There were innumerable gruesome occurrences like these acts of cruelty seemingly beyond human capacity. After the slaughter, Japan never show any regret or shame toward the cruel act, not even a sign of pity. The Anti-Japanese movement wasn't looking for revenge, but seeking just and fair toward the incident. In WWII Japanese already declared that they were better than any race in Asia. They enforced the declaration by using LIVE Chinese and Korean civilian and POWs as experiment of biochemistry to improve on the biochemical warfare. While the experiment, the Japanese Government instituted a system of sexual slavery throughout the territories it occupied. During that time, women were recruited by force, coercion, or deception into sexual slavery for the Japanese military. These women were euphemistically referred to as "comfort women" by the Japanese Imperial Army. Overwhelmed by facts? Don't be, there is an old wise saying "those who doesn't learn from history, they are doomed to repeat it itself" it applies to thoes who can't learn from history. THEY ARE DOOMED!!

The anti-Japanese demonstrations which took place in China recently were acts of racism, pure and simple. They were unnecessarily destructive and misguided attacks on individuals who had no say and no ability to make any changes to the content of Japan's school books. There is no seperating "Japan" and "the Japanese". Japan is an island nation. The Geographical Locale of Japan was not responsible for the devestating effects of World War II, the Japanese Government and Armed Forces were. The attacks on modern-day individuals of Japanese descent, and on their property, was a continuation of those self-same acts of barbarism committed by the Japanese 70 years ago, and I was sorely disappointed in both those who chose to be a part of those demonstrations, and those in the government who allowed the demonstrations to occur. And China is certainly not a world power to be decrying the past human rights transgressions of a foreign nation when their own, current track record on the subject of human rights is far, far from clean. What it comes down to is this; the anti-Japanese demonstrations were racist, and harmed only innocents. The matter should have been resolved diplomatically between two governments, and sign-hoisting, rally-crying, and rock-throwing should have been left out of it.

"She would have liked to tell them that behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil and that the image of that evil was a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unison."

The Unbearable Lightness of Being --Milan Kundera

Leave your self-righteousness and historical justifications at home. Revenge breeds only revenge, and is ultimately for the weak.

[Doug M]

The matter should have been resolved diplomatically between two governments, and sign-hoisting, rally-crying, and rock-throwing should have been left out of it.Well put sarukun.

[Judo Kick]

Please offer this, if there is a mistake, since it is machine translation.

We the Japanese brought neighboring countries the accident beyond a war act in WW2.
This is a fact which who denies and does not have a way.
In school education, the tragic state of damaged countries and denial of war have been taught to us until we result from the end of the war to today.
I express regret to Japan having inflicted huge and unjust damage on neighboring countries.

Naturally, the far and near blame which suffered the damage of war will continue.
They have the right, and I think that the japanese has a duty that the blames are accepted as a past assailant country.

The tragic state of a damage country and denial of war have been shown to us by school education until we result from the end of the war to today.

However, I DO ABSOLUTELY NOT have the intention of bowing, to the slander which is not based on the fact, or to the Instigation led in order that some government may operate domestic public opinion.
They have the right,Many Japanese can declare if militant nation-ization of Japan which the mass media of a neighboring countries always take up is never possible.

Japan is a true democratic state which neither the the conscription system nor the suppression of freedom of speech by the government has.

"sarukun" already sed, and I think that it is necessary to respond to the friendly nation which understands this with much more friendship, the countries which do not understand Japan with patience and diplomatic efforts.

Please give a message, if the Original Japanese text is required.
Thanx

[yaschan]

I agree with Saru-kun. We are no longer living era of WWII but we are living 2005.
Its time to forget and forgive, not only to our past enemies but ourselves.

[blacksun-unit731]

Japan is a beast hidden under human skin. How absurd it is to say that Japanese troops slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians during the so-called Nanking ‘Incident’ because they were 'afraid'. Afraid of what? Afraid of infants, children, women and elderly???

[Doug M]

Your view has been posted.

I removed your 3 subsequent messages as you should compile your point into one message, not 4 in a few minutes.

[blacksun-unit731]

I’m assuming freedom of speech on this forum and hope that this message won’t get deleted again

Talking about evidence. There are plenty of surviving victims, foreign witnesses and documentary films (such as Magee’s film), Japanese soldiers’ testimonies, photos taken by the Japanese soldiers themselves as a souvenir of their "fond memories", war crime tribunals (fake?), Japanese local newspaper reports at the time (also fake?), plus crime/massacre sites and many more. There is no smoke without fire. The Japanese court was eventually forced to admit the existence of Unit 731. What else does Japan expect? Do they want to insist on those already destroyed evidences which were deliberately shipped back to Japan by the U.S. as part of the exchange deal for the human experiment data? There ARE evidences that the U.S. did make this ugly exchange deal with Japan. If it wasn’t for the American cover-up, Japan would have long ago been forced to admit the crimes the way the Nazis did. But don’t worry. Ever heard of the saying "You can never wrap fire with paper"? This is what Japan is trying to do – wrapping fire with paper. Well, good luck with the wrapping!

Revising history is just another act of cowardice - having the gut to do, but not the courage to admit. Of course, NOT all Japanese are sadistic. Some ex-doctors of Unit 731 reveal torment and remorse while others sniff with arrogance and evil. I think the Japanese people are victims of betrayal. They are deprived of their right to know the truth. They will never be accepted into the world community until Japan follows Germany’s example.

Do I agree with Sarukun? Yes and no. Yes, because I do not support the demonstrations in China where properties and businesses were destroyed. No, because although China is not YET a world power, it is not only on the path to becoming one, but also at lightening speed. While no country is perfect, my research shows that, despite four thousand years of history, China has never waged any war of aggression. Comparing human rights and barbarism? Japan is second to none. The extent of torture is to such a great magnitude that even the Nazis appear to be angels. I don’t want to list gruesome details here, but if you want to know more, do an Internet search under "Nanking Massacre" or "Japanese Unit 731".

My suggestion to those with a gut to whitewash Japan’s dark history: You don’t have to listen to anyone. Just come, for once, out of your little "Nanking Incident" nest and learn how the whole wide world is looking at Japan’s atrocities. A simple Internet search will reveal enough to help you distinguish between black and white, fake and genuine, provided you are determined to do an UNBIASED research.

[deadhippo]

Freedom of Speech should not be used to spread hata as hate only begets hate. Why all this negativity and why the assumption that we don't know about such war crimes? Why the biased view? China is not an innocent country. Today crimes are being committed against their own people to such an extent that there may be revolution. I'm not saying that Japan is innocent either but these issues are past issues, we should try to improve conditions for those who are living today. Not only should Japan learn from Japans mistakes but China can also learn from Japans mistakes.
I don't whitewash Japan's dark history. Just because I rarely talk about it doesn't mean I'm whitewashing it. Almost every country has a dark history.

[Doug M]

In this privately owned forum there are rules enforced to maintain a family-freindly environment. I delete messages which are offensive or just spam. Although I typically don't interfere even if I disagree, there is limited freedom of speech here. Posting four messages at once in one thread is never allowed, for any subject, and is the reason they were removed.

I let the original post stand back in May of this year. Since then both sides have had a voice and they shall remain. I'm now locking this thread and closing this topic.

Thanks to all for participating.